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FAIRFIELD COUNTY, Conn. — Did Barack Obama bounce back or is Mitt Romney turning the tide of the election? Vote in our poll on who won the second presidential debate.
Who do you think won the second presidential debate?
View ResultsWho do you think won the second presidential debate?
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Barack Obama
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Mitt Romney
51% -
Too close to call
6%
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Here are some quotes for all the folks who are still duped and sucked in by the left right drama that the powers that be love to keep the people occupied with. ... Consider this, .. if these words were stated so long ago, how much more true are they today? The proof is in the pudding;
"In the United States today we have in effect two governments…. We have the duly constituted Government …. Then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in The Federal Reserve System operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution.”
Rep. Wright Patman (D – Texas)
“We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled governments in the civilized world – No longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by a vote of the majority, but a government of the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
President Woodrow Wilson
“The real truth of the matter is as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
“These international bankers and Rockefeller Standard-Oil interests, control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government.”
President Theodore Roosevelt - 1933
“The warning of Theodore Roosevelt has much timeliness today, for the real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls it’s slimey length over city, state and nation…. It seizes in it’s long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and every agency created for the public protection.”
“To depart from mere generalizations, let me say that at the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard-Oil interest and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.”
“They practically control both parties, write political platforms, make cats paws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination to high public office, only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business.”
“These international bankers and Rockefeller Standard-Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and magazines in this country.”
John Hylan, Mayor of New York
New York Times – March 26, 1922
Dwight D. Eisenhower said about the Military Industrial complex back in '61.
We prefer not to know, or as Leonard Cohen says in his song:
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
Romney/ bain are shutting down a factory as we speak, read the papers.
People will be fired, jobs outsourced. Good for Bain, good for business - bad for people.
I do not think either one of them won the debate. Therefore i think that Obama lost.
He is supposed to be this great debater, orator and the smartest guy in any room. He clearly lost the last one. and needed to win this one.
The act that he did not clearly win says to me that he lost.
And let's talk unemployment. The real unemployment number is in the double digits, closer to 14%. The number that Obama touts does not include people like my husband who have been out of work for three years. After you stop collected you are no longer counted as unemployed. You are basically considered out of the workforce.
My husband calls and applies for jobs every day and he is lucky to get a call back if at all.
And the latest data says that the unemployment rate of those without highjer education is 19%.
Don't insult my intelligence and tell me that unemployment is a 7%
I won't insult your intelligence, just ask a question: What does your husband do?.
Does his skill set have any relevance in this job market? Was he replaced by a cheaper, younger employee? Thats business, thats Mr. Romney.
Mr. Romney and his ilk have shipped - outsourced most lower end jobs overseas to China, India and yes, South America. Better for business. Not better for you or your husband.
Is he in construction? There seems to be a problem in that area that started with the collapse of housing in general. Not Mr. Obama's doing, see Bush and banks.
Yeah yeah yeah, argue real unemployment, what was the number when he got into office? Under whose watch were we losing 800000 jobs per month? Under whose watch have we added over 5 million back? These are the numbers President Obama and The Republicans use, all the same numbers.
Sorry for your frustration but if you take a look things are no where near as bad as they could be and globally they are pretty much worse. The US is actually a shining star compared to Europe et al.......
Romney was called out on 37 lies in the debate..I wonder if Mr Flip Flopper I will say anything to get elected broke any records with his lies. I swear these Republicans can never not even once be honest.
Obama was stuttering and got lost many times. He was trying to remember what he was told to memorize. No teleprompter help this time. It was pretty funny. At the end of the day people vote with their wallets. Obama clearly cannot create jobs, and has no private sector experience. Who wants 4 more years of this?
If you want free hand outs to get by you vote Obama. If you want a decent job and opportunity to get ahead again, you vote Romney. Simple as that.
43 straight months of unemployment above 8%
Those are facts.
You would not know a fact if it pulled on your ponytail.
31 Months of job growth in the private sector.
No depression.
Stock market at 13000.
Home prices coming back (slowly)
Bin Laden dead
No new war in middle east
1 done
1 in draw down.
Mittens and Ryan against choice for women.
Mittens and Ryan with no/ none/ zilch/ nada/ nothing tax plan
Mittens/ Bain closing another factory right now - laying off workers.
Wasn't Ponytail a character in an Archie comic book? As fictional as Mittens and Ryans plans and lies.
Pot meet kettle. Talk about "inflating inaccurate facts"....
yeah, Bush started looking for bin Laden. He really couldn't do much less right after 9/11 (except concoct phony stories about WMDs in Iraq).
The problem here is....after a while, Bush gave the orders to stand down. He gave up. He stopped looking. Mission unaccomplished.
You believe Mitt hasn't been with Bain for 14 years. Fine, except the ink STILL isn't dry on his retroactive retirement. You probably also believe Cheney severed all his ties with Halliburton....you know, the company that was awarded billions of dollars of taxpayer money in no-bid contracts.
Umploymnet now 7.3% mid October, down from 7.8% end of September, source - Gallup, housing investments up for the month of September also,
I don't think this recovery was going to be a quick one, and I would argue that the generation that endured the great depression had a little more determination, patience, and drive, than the baby boomer generation that saw the edge of the abyss in 2008.
it was very real, and had the potential to tip the balance of every Western nation.
I give this president high marks for taking the unpopular route and diverting a disaster,
Oh, and I'll add, I have nothing but respect for Hank Paulsen and Ben Bernanke for driving this.
I am doing better than four years ago, I was cautious, and listened to the lessons learned of those who lived thru the depression.
I will be voting for President Obama,
No complaints here
Regards
NL
Did you forget about the repeal of Glass Steagal under Clinton? ... Does it mean nothing that the same big money interests that were steering Bush, .. have been steering Obama? ... and will be steering Romney?
Just look at who the number 2 contributor is to the Obama campaign;
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http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638
Then listen to what Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate says about the US political system. She's right on the mark IMO;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3SfivTK8m4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
All polls show Obama won by a landslide
All polls show Obama won by a landslide
Here's the Gallup Poll Results for last night's debate....
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx
Romneys numbers don't add up, never have. He lies constantly and up until a while ago, fairly convincingly. Intelligent people know when they are being lied to and after a while say- enough! President Obama won decisively last night as he lost decisively in the first debate - it is disingenuous to say otherwise.
His comments on womens jobs and health, Libya, gas prices, the economy all rang true. Could things be better? yes, are things moving forward? Yes.
I saw two men, one who knows what he is talking about and believes what he is saying and the other, a well prepped empty suit who says whatever he has to - oh yeah, contraception for all!!! (even though thats not my long standing policy) Government doesn't create jobs!!! (oh yeah, as President I promised to create jobs and isn't the President the Government? Maybe no-one will notice....) Glass ceiling, yeah - i hired some women once, got a binder full of 'em ( but i can't allow them to have an abortion if they want no matter how rich or smart they are - maybe no-one will notice that one either)
Bad things happened in Libya - Terrorism! The president never said terrorism....( well yeah he did, listen to the speech, watch the video - also, as a politician, you actually wait until you have the facts from your agencies until you spout off)
Libya equals political gain, gee, who was spouting off within an hour?
President Obama showed great hubris and character when asked who is responsible - Hillary? Someone else? Nope, he's the boss and ultimately its his responsibility and his alone. He put them in harms way, they knew what they were getting into - no one accepts a post in an area like Libya without knowing the risks, bad things happened- his burden and his responsibility.
That's character , that what I want in my President, that's what Mr. Romney and his ilk lack.
This looks like it was copied right out of some liberal kids blog!
Romneys numbers don't add up, never have. He lies constantly and up until a while ago, fairly convincingly. Intelligent people know when they are being lied to and after a while say- enough! President Obama won decisively last night as he lost decisively in the first debate - it is disingenuous to say otherwise.
His comments on womens jobs and health, Libya, gas prices, the economy all rang true. Could things be better? yes, are things moving forward? Yes.
I saw two men, one who knows what he is talking about and believes what he is saying and the other, a well prepped empty suit who says whatever he has to - oh yeah, contraception for all!!! (even though thats not my long standing policy) Government doesn't create jobs!!! (oh yeah, as President I promised to create jobs and isn't the President the Government? Maybe no-one will notice....) Glass ceiling, yeah - i hired some women once, got a binder full of 'em ( but i can't allow them to have an abortion if they want no matter how rich or smart they are - maybe no-one will notice that one either)
Bad things happened in Libya - Terrorism! The president never said terrorism....( well yeah he did, listen to the speech, watch the video - also, as a politician, you actually wait until you have the facts from your agencies until you spout off)
Libya equals political gain, gee, who was spouting off within an hour?
President Obama showed great hubris and character when asked who is responsible - Hillary? Someone else? Nope, he's the boss and ultimately its his responsibility and his alone. He put them in harms way, they knew what they were getting into - no one accepts a post in an area like Libya without knowing the risks, bad things happened- his burden and his responsibility.
That's character , that what I want in my President, that's what Mr. Romney and his ilk lack.
It doesn't matter which one of them is elected, ... Goldman Sachs, the banking cartel at the Fed and their weapon the fiat petro dollar and interest rate control will still control the direction of the economy. ... Why do you think the same corporate interests that held cabinet posts in the Bush administration, also held posts in the Obama administration? ... So too, why are basically the same corporate campaign donors for the Obama campaign also funding the Romney campaign? ... It matters not which one is elected. We will get the same results in the end, and those results will favor the interests of the corporate banking elite and screw the freedom and prosperity of the common citizens.
When will voters begin to face the fact that whatever a politician promises during a campaign is nothing but political rhetoric to get them elected. Their words mean nothing.
Romney's own economic advisor (Hubbard) admits the numbers Romney keeps throwing around don't add up. If you think your taxes are high under Obama just wait. The taxes under Romney will be even worse, unless you're a multi-millionaire with a yachtful of offshore bank accounts.
The only alternative to that is to blow our sky-high deficit clear out of the stratosphere. Our monetary system won't be able to sustain itself and China will be able to buy up the rest of this country for pennies on the dollar. Then they can raise their flags everywhere, not just at the Bain-owned Sensata. You right-wingers still think Romney is working for America?
Look, I'm no Obama flag waver. He's done plenty of things I don't agree with. He's had to make several very disagreeable decisions simply because the Party of NO wouldn't talk to him otherwise. But the way the right-wingers portray him is very much like the way they demonized Lyndon Johnson back in the day. Johnson pointed out that if he were able to walk on water across the Potomac his opposition would fault him for not being able to swim.
Mr Zippy, if you want to see who is fomenting the vast majority of the devisive rhetoric, I suggest you look to the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Boehner, McConnell (who instigated the whole "Make Obama fail" campaign) and the rest of the right-wing loonies who have hijacked the republican party and made them a laughingstock of wingnuts.
The left wing responds in kind, and admittedly not very well.
Obama just had to show up and be even to win...however he has no plans for this country except the same keep spending divisive rhetoric..judge people by their actions..he has done nothing for creating jobs in this country..Romney is right about all his oil gas and coal..the DOJ fights these guys all the time same as Boeing in Carolina..same as pipeline..etc..additionally he broke the law of this land so many times..first with the illegal bankruptcy of GM..then with welfare reform with a memo..then with immigration with a memo..you cant as president decide what law to enforce..you swear to uphold the constitution
I agree that this poll is not only unscientific but clearly shows how deluded and full of hate the right-wing "teajhadists" are. They will deliberately poison the well and then blame the straw man for not keeping it clean.
They are both delusional and in denial.
That said, I do not believe the people that post here are truly representative of most republicans or independent/unaffiliated voters.
Romney showed his true colors last night when asked about wage disparity for women. He spent his entire allotted time defending his hiring practices as governor and that he supports expanding hiring for women. He simply avoided answering directly the question he was asked, as he has done on every other subject he has been confronted with.
Somehow a guy who flipflops on every position he's ever held is supposed to be more credible and better suited for the leadership of the free world than a principled man with vision.
One sticking point with Obama that I have is that he has never responded directly to Romney's continued harangues about his failed leadership. Obama simply needs to point out he's been unable to improve things more quickly because he's been trying to work with a Congress that has continually stonewalled him and refused to pass legislation that even they wrote or intially supported....just to make him look bad.
That would be like locking Ken P in a closet for two weeks and then faulting him for not taking out the garbage or having put gas in the car.
And please...don't insult everyone's collective intelligence by trying that already debunked "but Obama had a majority in Congress for two years" crap.That has already been spelled out and explained by people far more credible and intelligent than the folks on here who keep trying to bring it up.
Bottom line: Obama won handily. Get over it.
This poll is as accurate as Romney's numbers....
This isn't a scientific poll! It's a joke.You can vote as many times as you want.Obama clearly won the debate.Romney supporters are so hostile.When Romney won the first debate we all agreed.Not Repubs they play dirty!
I think it was an even debate. Both candidates were aggressive but like a typical politician never really answered any questions.
What I don't understand is why Obama is so jealous of romney's wealth? He really is making it so the rich pay for everyone else so the government can keep wasting money elsewhere.
This will be a close election.
Ridiculous supposition, no one is jealous of Romney's wealth, most of us are not fans of nefarious processes that rob people of good paying jobs, so that investment firms like Bain can make money off of those who truly work.
The problem is the new economy; fast money, no sweat, it's real, and it's destroying the character of the American worker; they are expendables in the eyes of those who are excel spreadsheet warriors.
I daresay that Romney never ran a company that actually "produced" anything, his father did, his father ran GM.
Mitt Romney could never live up to the standards of George Romney, even Bush was better; at least he tried to run an oil company and a baseball franchise.
Yes, he was helped, but that is a productive environment. Those that game manufacturing for investment gains, aren't really working; they are capitalizing on the work of others.
Without the inception and growth of those companies, investment firms like Bain wouldn't have a source of income.
So let's understand this; do you really think that China will "let" American investment firms capitalize on the labor of their workers "for long"?
That's an unwise and silly calculation in my book.
I'll bet on the American worker any day of the week, Too bad there are people in this country who hate the average worker so much.
Sad,,, very sad,
Regards
NL
Romney's father was CEO of American Motors, not GM. American Motors, at it's best, was hardly General Motors and bought by Renault. Romney SR made enough money to go into politics and was governor of Michigan. He campaigned unsuccesfully for president.
Like father, like son ?
Actually President Obama answered most of the questions in a coherent fashion, Romnuts through out party lines, blustered and bullied and managed not to answer the most pressing ones such as - whats your plan, spell it out and make the numbers in your tax cuts add up, no really, please? oh you can't?
Hey NL, I'm a Fairfield resident and I voted in this poll. It's open to anyone who happens across it online - even out-of-staters. But, it is flawed because I voted once and then scrolled down to read the comments. I then logged in so I could leave a comment and was able to vote again.
Ah, Thank you, so the scripts are broken, that makes sense now
When even Fox calls it a tie you know that Obama won by a landslide and this poll is being Freeped.
More proof that Romney lost: when a Fox anchor tries to spin that Obama called Libyan attack "an act of terror" not "terrorism" in his 9/12 Rose Garden speech in order to make Romney not look like the incompetent liar he is.
Anybody who thinks Romney has less working supporters than Obama isn't paying attention much. Obama specifically courts the underachiever vote, every single welfare recipient in the country will be voting Obama. The debate I watched showed a clueless President coming up with talking points and a presidential hopeful with sound reasonable answers. There's no guarantees, but doing something be because its what we are old is right, even when the record shows clearly it has hurt us badly is one of our biggest problems. At any rate Mitt Romney is clearly the better man in every way, except perhaps at spewing useless rhetoric. Obama promised a balanced budget or no second term, his running at all is another poke in the eye of America. We need him gone just as we need Malloy gone here in CT.
How can this poll show 54% for Romney, what debate were these people watching? and what's the matter with Norwalk?
Here's the stats: Norwalk has 42,975 registered voters
18,152 are unaffiliated
15,147 are democrats
8,797 are republicans
803 are independents
76 belong to smaller parties,
Now, how can people in Norwalk state that Romney won this debate?
I know, those who think Obama won are working and don't have time to poll
That could be it.
Regards
NL
"I know, those who think Obama won are working and don't have time to poll That could be it."
~That is truly funny
Genius
Obama did win
Hi NorwalkLifer,
To answer your question...perhaps some Democratics are actually voting for Romney? They voted for Obama in 2008 and dont want to be stuck with him for another 4 years....Both Dems and Repubs are out of work...not just Romney supporters.
That could be, but I'll bet you and I are not, I don't know about you, but I am definitely better off than I was four years ago, however, I didn't buy into the jumbo mortgage 0% down of the Bush years, that could be the reason why a lot of people are underwater, and surely, moving is an option to find a job, after all, there are many multinational corporations on the East Coast, one right in Wilton,
and there is opportunity to move around and advance.
Regards
NL
NL - The numbers you listed actually give you the answer. The largest group of registered Norwalk voters are "unaffiliated". First, if everyone who voted in this poll was a Norwalk resident (which we already know isn't true) even if every registered Democrat in the city voted in the poll, and only slightly over half of the remaining parties voted for Romney, he'd come out the winner. The Independent and unaffiliated voters owe their allegiance to no one and they are the wild card factor.
The answer could be that our Democrats are finally realizing what a losing proposition Obama presents to he working class. It's a slap in the face of us all when he refuses to call people stealing millions of our jobs what they are, illegal aliens, he calls them undocumented workers hoping to get their votes once he gets them amnesty. Meanwhile every day an undocumented worker goes to work, an American doesn't. The man is a moral midget and its killing our country on many fronts.
CNN poll says Obama won 46%-39%.